If he were alive today, Hitler would have had most of these NSM clowns incarcerated or shot.

How true

The Wn movement can never succeed behind the swastika and the burning cross, those days are long gone

Does anyone really think Hitler or Rockwell would have let Bill white join, they both despised commies, they would have viewed him as a spy and traitor.

You're right. I've never accomplished anything. Except made a few million dollars in real estate and acting as the spokesman for the leading white organization in the country.

Haha, thats funny, Bill. Making millions on ruined, distressed in Roanoke, Va. Sorry Bill, but you may spin the VNN retards on this one but it just ain't possible. In fact, you are either a goddam liar or hopefully telling the truth. And if so, you may very well be guilty of mortgage loan fraud, wire fraud and conspiracy.

Here is how it works, my children. Billy says he is buying these properties at "one half to one tenth the completed value". That means Billy is buying properties at tax auctions. Sounds way cool, doesn't it? Buying properties for pennies on the dollar. But like most things in life there is no free ride cuz there is always a catch and that is, using inflated appraisals to obtain overvalued loans to buy those properties. Also, lying to a mortgage lender about how much your property is worth is a felony. Obtaining securities by fraud is a felony. Money laundering in connection with a mortgage fraud and a flipping scheme is a felony. Tax fraud is a felony.

Now I'm sure Billy wouldn't lie on his application to a mortgage lender but if he did I bet some smart WN's could find out about it and alert the proper authorities. It could be another Bill White meltdown!

I am in this area of New York. We need help. Commander Rockwell wore suits and ties, and looked damn respectable. Please, for the poor child who got beat up, and the white kids across the world, put your egos on the shelf. Show up in suits. Wear nazi tie clips, if you must, come on. The jews will pull their bullshit.

Wouldn't it be great if they showed just a bunch of average white guys dressed in suits protesting black crime, and calling them nazis? Millions of whites would ascend immediately one more step in waking up.

The NSM instantly gained tons of respect for Toledo. You'll lose all of it permanently if you show up in uniform. Please, we are not questioning your manhood or balls. When we win this fight, we can teach the world about Hitler. First we have to win. We have to ease the sheeple into our world.

I'm 22 and hopeless. You guys can give me some hope and many more people would show up if you put aside your egos for this particular rally.

Come on Mr. White, I'm begging you.

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Originally Posted by centerfire
I agree with the previous. Wearing those uniforms in public is very foolish. It is unfortunate that WN's must fight on others' terms, but this is about credibility. Public relations is the name of this game, and there's no getting around it. No one in the viewing audience will identify with those uniforms, and upon seeing them, any sympathy with our cause will vanish or at least be severely weakened. I'm sure this post will do no good, though. Ah, well!

On the contrary, it's time now for genuine WNs who actually give a damn whether we win or not to speak out loudly.

I wish I hadn't been away from my computer for so long, as I wasn't able to catch this guy misinterpreting my post. There is absolutely NOTHING in your post that contradicts mine. What you said was largely a reiteration of what I said, though longer and more emphatic. Super irritating! You apparently didn't understand my stance. Any WN who seriously wishes to advance the message must realize that this demonstration will be televised, and it is a concern to make a good presentation to the viewing public. Those who own and operate the media control what the public sees at these events, so everyone involved is, however regrettably, operating within the confines of those who control media. It's effectively their forum, but the WN's can be effective by not playing to stereotypes.

Look at who you have as your spokesman NSM:

The seeming “victory” of the Jew over Humanity and the Divine is a sign that the final age is nearing its end. When the Jew rules the Earth, then the final battle will occur, and the Jewish race will be annihilated and forbidden to return until the end of the next Golden Age.

...

Hitler led the people of Germany into a society of Harmony and Order that did battle with, to the West, Jewish capitalism, and, to the East, Jewish Bolshevism. Not only did he demonstrate that Traditional society can be restored, but, in leading the people first into Tradition then into battle with the forces of evil, he called up millions of souls to Valhalla, where they fill the ranks of the army that will emerge in the end times to do final battle with the Jews and their followers here on Earth.

http://www.nazi.org/library/national_socialism/radical_traditionalism.html

It is like those niggers in Africa who believed all the fallen warriors would rise up and drive the White man into the sea. Is National Socialism now to be the bastion of those who imagine the dead shall emerge from somewhere to fight an end times battle before some fantastic 'Golden Age' appears?

It is interesting to find out that Genghis Khan was a god, or at least an aspect of him/her/it.

Behold The Revelation of that rare "man against time" Saint Bill:

The current period of democracy and communism is the rule of slaves – the Kali Yuga or “Death Age”. When this age concludes, the heavens will open, the Gods will lead the righteous from the Heavens, a great battle will destroy the surface of the Earth, the forces of Disorder will be destroyed, and from the ashes of the great destruction will emerge a new Golden Age, where God will again live and rule on Earth, and a new cycle.

Is this what you signed on for at the NSM? Bringing on a great battle that will destroy the face of the Earth, as the Gods lead the righteous down from Heaven into battle? WTF has this to do with NS? How many people do you intend on signing up with the proviso that you intend on having the whole surface of the Earth destroyed in battle so God can come and rule amongst us? What ever this is, it isn't National Socialism.

"National Socialism is a cool-headed doctrine of realities; it mirrors clearly scientific knowledge and its expression in thought. Since we have won the heart of our people for this doctrine we do not wish to fill their minds with a mysticism which lies outside of that doctrine's goal and purpose. National Socialism is not a cult-movement - a movement for worship; it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship. Therefore we have no rooms for worship, but only halls for the people - no open spaces for worship, but spaces for assemblies and parades. We have no religious retreats, but arenas for sports and playing-fields, and the characteristic feature of our places of assembly is not the mystical gloom of a cathedral, but the brightness and light of a room or hall which combines beauty with fitness for its purpose. In these halls no acts of worship are celebrated, they are exclusively devoted to gatherings of the people of the kind which we have come to know in the course of our long struggle.

We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists but something else - in any case something which has nothing to do with us. . . . Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are know to us men: it is to these we pay our respect."
- A. Hitler, Nuremberg, 6th September 1938

You are incorrect.

It originated in Christiandom, monks for instance were very fond of it.

That was what I was leading up to, however the DIRECT ideas that inspired Marx and his movement are traced to the enlightenment era- the first "secular" incarnation of equality. Secular is important in this case because adherents tried to portray it as non-theological and thus "rational".

This is a complete falsehood.

Obviously you are quite ignorant of multinational corporations and the sway they hold.

The world's governments are overwhelmingly Marxist in nature.

Only in the philosophical realm, but driven by different motives as I've already pointed out.

You must think that State run Capitalism is not Communism, when infact, it is.

The state does not run capitalism, capitalism runs the state. You need to take some time to research the PR and lobbying industry and see how corporations have in some cases literally dictated policy of the united states. If you believe the government is inhibiting corporations look no further than the FCC with its constant deregulation.

What you reffer to isnt Capitalism. Its transitional Marxism.

The powers that be are not going to transition into any system that would cut into their profits.

Your mind is confused from too many years of Marxist theory. Clean the cobwebs out, Capitalism, free enterprise, is not our enemy.

Free enterprise and capitalism are not the same thing. Capitalism IS the enemy, because it is the surviving ideology that came out on top after the Cold War.

Marxism seeks to remove all boundries to all things universally, its in Marx's scribblings. That is not Capitalism.

That might have something to do with the fact that Capitalism was never a "movement" with a manifesto. It is self-evident that Capitalism IS REMOVING BOUNDARIES universally. You look at that and say; "It must be Marxism then!" That is illogical. The rational conclusion is to look at the Capitalist system and say, "they are removing boundaries universally, this is one point they share with Marxism, though the capitalist seem to be better at it in the practical sense!"

Duality severely limits one's ability to perceive worthy alternatives.

I am in this area of New York. We need help. Commander Rockwell wore suits and ties, and looked damn respectable. Please, for the poor child who got beat up, and the white kids across the world, put your egos on the shelf. Show up in suits. Wear nazi tie clips, if you must, come on. The jews will pull their bullshit.

Wouldn't it be great if they showed just a bunch of average white guys dressed in suits protesting black crime, and calling them nazis? Millions of whites would ascend immediately one more step in waking up.

I agree 100%.

-Jim

Recall that he distanced himself from the Stahlhelm and "Fatherland organizations", i.e. dress-up groups.

And also in the '30s in Europe it was customary to for many groups to march in uniforms. The socialists and catholics had their own styles of uniforms.

Today you'd make so much more of an impression if you had a march of clean cut folks in clean pressed shirts and pants.

There is no way they could demonize that so at worst they would just ignore you in the media. But you'd make a positive impression upon the folks in the neighborhood and that is what you should aim for.

What are Hal Turner's views on this? He is the one organising this rally... he is in charge, so it should be his call.

Hal, you're a smart guy... do you want the NSM to be there in uniform or not? Make it known here.

And also in the '30s in Europe it was customary to for many groups to march in uniforms. The socialists and catholics had their own styles of uniforms.

Today you'd make so much more of an impression if you had a march of clean cut folks in clean pressed shirts and pants.

There is no way they could demonize that so at worst they would just ignore you in the media. But you'd make a positive impression upon the folks in the neighborhood and that is what you should aim for.

Well said.

Good luck to all the courageous folks who appear in public and stand up for White rights.

All rallies about the white race are about national socialism, because there is no struggle for the white race outside of national socialism. If the rally is not about national socialism, then it is about nothing.

White pride isn't about National Socialism. National Socialism didn't exist in America until after Ww II, yet we were successful, racist society. National Socialism is for Europeans. We're Americans and that means we're Capitalists.

Ahem:

German American Bund rally 1939

Ahem:

German American Bund rally 1939

right, and what was Hitler's position on the Bund? Something worth remembering. and what were the positive outcomes of the Bund for Whites in America-- or Germany-- if any?

David Duke has conditionally endorsed the Kingston Rally. The condition is that nothing is done to evoke the jew hollywood stereotyping of "White Supremacists." I assume that one of the things he has in mind, although he hasn't made this specifically clear as yet, includes the NSM wearing nazi uniforms.

Duke's endorsement is important. How does his endorsement condition affect the opinion of NSM re wearing their uniforms?

Duke's endorsement is important.

IMO what's more important is why certain 'leaders' would not endorse a rally to raise awareness about attacked white children, and the inept handling of said incidents because of petty differences between themselves and Hal Turner. Squeaking in at the last minute to save face, then voicing a 'half-assed at best' endorsment dissapoints me, to say the least.

right, and what was Hitler's position on the Bund?

Wikipedia sez:

After the investigation, Hitler ordered all German nationals to withdraw from the Friends. On March 19, 1936, Hitler placed US citizen Fritz Kuhn at the head of the party, hoping to gain some degree of American favor. The Friends' name was then changed to the German-American Bund.

Something worth remembering. and what were the positive outcomes of the Bund for Whites in America-- or Germany-- if any?

The Bund was one of the forces opposing the American entry in WWII (even tho they were a relatively minor force with only 25,000 members). Of course that movement failed. Had they succeeded the world would have been quite different today. But of course then no pro-white movement has really succeeded since the jews are still in power.